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How do you know astral projection is not just a lucid dream?
updated 1 year, 6 months ago
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Everyone goes to play on the astral. Not everyone can remember it.
There’s two kinds of dreams. One is the garbage collection and housekeeping that the brain does. The other is the real dreams, or astrals. Lucid usually gets explained as you’re waking up in your dream and can control it. That’s the psychological perspective.
Spiritually, you’re on the astral and aware of it in your body. It’s really neat.
Astral projection is the attempt to go onto the astral while your body is still awake. That’s the only difference between AP and what everybody does when they sleep and go on the astral.
What is the astral? It’s an infinite number of things. We create spaces there to rehearse or play or experiment or invent or have sex or meet specific people, etc. Basically, if you can match the energy of a specific place on the astral, you are there. It’s not necessarily a higher vibration; it’s a specific vibration.
I think of it like your voice. Everyone’s voice is a unique combination of sounds that identify you as an individual. Yes, there are altos and tenors, etc., but each alto is unique. Each space on the astral is unique.
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The wake back to bed WBTB method has caused this misunderstanding and I hate it. You don’t even need to fall asleep to AP. You can come home from work and lay down and have an OBE without ever falling asleep. It’s nothing like lucid dreaming, if anything it’s the opposite of lucid dreaming. Where lucid dreaming is mastering thinking, AP is mastering not thinking (meditation) to such a degree that you let go of everything and exit the body be it accidentally or intentionally
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Seth states that the astral body is the dream body, astral projection is indeed dreaming. The astral realm is 4-Dimensional, dreaming is 4-Dimensional. There are 7 main planes in the astral realm, many individuals’ dreams ,in our current society, take place in the first lower levels. Going from one sub-plane to another, there will be a from of transportation in the dream state. The higher one goes the more lucid the transportation, this includes flying at will and even dreaming of traveling through space or galaxy.
There are stages to astral projection according to the balancing of the heart center. There are also stages to dreams. The more balanced one is, the more lucid dreaming and astral projection occurs with ease.
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I’ve had both, dreams are inherently unstable, AP is much more stable and controllable. AP also doesn’t follow crazy dream logic. Also often you feel the astral and physical body in AP, in dreams there is only the dream body.
So it’s clearly not.
However I have had AP switch back and forth from LD, only once, but it did happen. It was quite interesting.
They’re as different as red and blue but you could argue they’re on the same spectrum.
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Easy. For me, if I am actively focused on a task and need to involve the spirit world, it is AP. The experience and methods are very different than a lucid dream. AP is no different than the waking world in terms of task and activity.
Lucid dreaming for me, is passive. I go to bed and realize I’m dreaming and do what I want within it. I will have a scene I’m not keen on and will pause, rewind, replay slightly differently several times until the outcome is what I want. As in, I’m having a good time and realize I’m about to be raped. Oh hell no, not in the mood for that tonight! Pause!!! Rewind, replay changing parameters slightly. Pause rewind until the scene is more comfortable. Or, I will be dreaming and enjoying and realize I gotta pee. Damn. Pause!!!! Wake up, pee, get a spoons full of garlic chili sauce or Cholula and go back to bed, close eyes, UnPause!!!! Carry on with dream.
So, for me, there’s the difference. Thanks for your question! It gave me a moment to think about it. I’m thrilled I can tell the difference. I hope you enjoy yourself, too!🥰
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How do you know lucid dreams aren’t astral projection?
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Lucid dreaming is constructed within your brain.
Astral projection can be described as an out of body experience.
People have recorded seeing things in astral projection they could not have known about just by dreaming it.
Like identifying people in other rooms, or seeing what’s on top of a cabinet they’re too short to see over.
So the simplest explanation is that lucid dreaming constructs a realistic alternate reality, but it’s fictional, whereas astral projection allows you to travel in reality.
Lucid dreaming can be a great way of facing inner conflicts or even just learning about your own psyche.
Astral projection can give you more information about your environment that you normally have access to.
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Because others have seen the person while they were out of body. See, for example, Bob Monroe’s books.
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Your impact on self awareness over the reality. If it is affected then that’s a lucid dream, where u can do anything and experience it.
But, if it’s not affecting the reality which means u are in astral projection. In astral project there is no physical interaction you are in a metaphysical world which is overlaid on to the physical world. You can touch it but you can see it, there is no physical experience but you connection with the space that you visit in you astral stage affect your mental experience.
In one you can change and experience everything around you but in the other everything around you affects you.
That’s, what I think!!
But at the end both are critical experiences that represents your self expression.
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This is why I don’t know if I AP or not, It was like a lucid dream
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a out of body experience has many different methods to achieve it, sometimes it’s easy and sometimes it’s difficult
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For me, lucid dreams are obvious, because they’re so cartoonish. When I’m astral projecting, my solar plexus chakra makes me aware about halfway through the visit.
I just look down through the floor and see myself in bed. Whereas lucid dreams have oversaturated colors, astral projection is alarmingly realistic.
