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How would you explain the 2nd house / 8th house axis?
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2nd house is how you make money, what’s yours, your values , it’s more to do with self. 8th house is other people’s money, shared resources,inheritances
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My son has a 2nd house Jupiter in opposition to an 8th house Venus. I told him he better pick his partner wisely or he’ll lose dearly in divorce. That’s just one example as it all depends on the planets and signs in said houses.
2nd house is money and possessions, tangible belongings that are yours. 8th house is not only death and endings but the other too (others possessions). You can gain people’s possessions or lose them (or your own) depending on transits or planets that sit in the 8th I’ve learned.
Basically if something in the 2nd touches the 8th in an opposition you could lose something related from each planet in those houses unless a balance is achieved. Hence the whole point of the opposition, to find a balance of the energies so they aren’t in conflict.
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2nd house is about moveable possessions, including finances and the body. The 8th house isn’t just death, but other people’s finances including the spouse’s finances (as an extension of the 7th). It also includes debts and similar matters.
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– Reliance on self (2) vs reliance on the other (8).
– Own resources (2) vs other’s resources (8).
– Focus on Earthly sensory delights (2) vs focus on depths of consciousness (8)
– Present Life (2) vs before/beyond life (8)
– Self sufficiency (2) vs merging and becoming one with the other (8)
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If you want more extensive details,
The 2nd House
The acquisitions that we obtain possession of; are called our material valuables because of their benefits. The 2nd House is about our resourcefulness in our resources. Or in other words, the valuables we gain, as well as how we can gain off of them. Particularly, its what gives us the capacity to sustain and secure ourselves.Value you is a subjective concept because we deem resources as valuable when they’re worth having to us. Everyone values different things in different ways, but we can all agree that a necessity to life is valuable, like the supplies that support and secure us, also known as our livelihood. The food, or medicine we put in us as well as the warmth we get from where we are.
The materials we get can also have value financially: like the money you own, or expensive clothes, accessories, cars, etc. As well as our psychological approach to what priority we place on money. Our conscious decisions towards the cash flow of earning, saving, and spending our wealth has a great affect on our life
Things can also have value sentimentally like your old memorabilia and how you preserve nostalgic letters, photos, games, toys, stuffed animals, etc.
Value can also come in forms of nonmaterial such as intellectual gains from owning books or sources that give us knowledge or any other forms of improvement in developing a skill. Another immaterial value we have is our morals, and how we stand for what we deem is right.
Whatever it is we each deem as valuable plays into what we find to be of value within ourselves and how we secure and support our own self-worth.
The Planet that rules the sign of this house as well as any planets that are in the second house suggest where you can achieve financial success, NOT to be confused with the kind of work environment that’d be the most ideal for you (6H) or your preferred field of career or your calling to achieve a sense of purpose in your life (10H) Multiple planets in the second house suggest that you have strong values. You are a person with both feet on the ground.
The 8th house
The assets we get from other people. The time, energy, and resources we share with others that ties us to other people. This could be Parents or partner’s resources. Like borrowing money or having it borrowed from you money (Shared finances, Debt, Taxes, refunds, bonuses, investments, commissions, royalties, child support, alimony, mortgages, credit loans) But its not JUST support from others financially, it could be spiritually, emotionally, physically, sexually.
So what else are things we inherit from other people? Prizes/gifts, someone else’s property, job or other opportunities from someone else, skills you acquired from someone else. A physical inheritance from family like a genetic feature or disorder. Or a psychic inheritance from family demons passed down through generations of trauma, mental illness, addictions, violence or any emotional manipulation/abuse from another. According to Jungian astrology many 8th house people are born to be the “curse breaker” of the family. It can be a house of shared burdens. Other peoples’ heaviness, experiences, and baggage become your own momentarily. It’s a vulnerable yet intimate space. It’s the house of inherited and communal experiences.How about the fact that only through other people are we able to channel our own intimacy? Think about deeply bonding through being vulnerable in ways we can’t with anyone else, like sharing secrets! The transformative nature of this kind of intimacy. And this merging with another to bond and release energy, also plays into sexual bonding. Shared orgasms (otherwise known in as a “little death” a surrender to the primal energies/ exalted state of communion where we leave a little of ourselves behind) These are the kinds of relationships where you have powerful chemistry that is undeniable even if you are unable to act on it. It also describes how partnership power issues are handled. Control issues and struggles with disempowerment or that come from sharing power with another person. Dealing with other peoples, raw, intense emotions, and deep connections with loved ones through sexuality and baring your soul.
Something we gain from the people who’s life ended could be their inheritances they leave us in their will? You’ll notice these themes can severely help or hinder you, and in both of those scenarios, they are critical turning points in your life that mark the old you. Your Rebirths, resurrections, Transformations. So it’s what destroys your longevity and the deaths of your previous selves. So this house rules death and not just in the sense of the end of someone’s life, but the endings of things that we need to leave behind, or release, or forfeit, or give in to for a chance to move on and transform. And these moments of life when you lose everything or your whole world turned upside down that changes you forever and is usually accompanied by torment/fear of loss or grief shared amongst people) So this includes the psychological pain that comes from loss and the awareness that all things come to an end. It is through these resources from others and transactions we gain from them that opens doors for opportunities to grow within ourselves! Indeed, if the individual can wield such power, they can also bring profound healing.
This house also rules crime, karma and taboos, which are the things society tends to hide from the outside world. Aspects to yourself that are deemed as forbidden from laying out publicly: that we push under the rug. As well as psychic phenomena, mediums supernatural, witchcraft, also all known as the occult.
Since this house rules special moments in life, planets in the eighth house tend to be dormant until you find yourself in an emergency situation. Crisis activates them, and they come to expression. people usually dont identify w their planets in the 8 cuz u cant see it from the 1st.
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The 2nd house is in its simplest terms The Earth’s crust. It’s where pastures grow, life sprouts, and where natural resources are found. Think comfort, stability, abundance, values and valuables, self-worth, possessions, and beauty. It is the day-to-day routine that serves to aid in function, bringing a sense of familiarity.
The 8th house is beneath the Earth’s crust extending to underwater volcanos, where many life forms originate. It is the unseen, the less obvious, yet absolutely destructive when its forces are made known. Yet these underwater volcanos can create new land masses and fertile soils, which is the common ground between the axis. Because it’s unlikely we will ever go too deep beneath the Earth’s crust, much less the actual core. It is the unknown, the terrifying, the turbulent, dark pits that few dare to enter.
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The 8th is second from the 7th, so possessions (2nd) of those who you are partnered with (7).
It’s association with death is interesting. It was called the idle place, and is 5th from the 4th. The fourth was called “the end of matters” and was associated with death as it is the most subterranean house in the chart. The 8th is what issues from the underworld, the creations of your underworld. The 8th is
What follows the ending of matters. Inheritance is certainly a matter to be decided after the end of a matter (someone’s life). In my experience the 8th is primarily concerned with these things, though there is also a sort of scorpionic “urge to merge” with some 8th house placements.I would caution against equating 8th with Scorpio as that’s a great way to understand neither the sign nor the house.
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the 2nd house is gains, and the 8th house is losses.
as the sun travels through the sky throughout a day, the region of the sky that the 8th house occupies is the time before sunset hours. it’s a time of decline and the sun is falling down from its prominence in the 11th, 10th, and 9th houses. it’s where the sun is preparing to set and become invisible until the morning. the 8th house was historically known as the idle place or the place of death (more specifically the beginning of death), since it’s where planets wait before they set, the place where they decline until they fall below the horizon. conversely, the 2nd house is the region immediately before the horizon, where the sun is finally making its way towards sunrise, preparing to make its return. it was historically the house of increasing hopes, gaining and preparing for life represented by the ascendant.
the 2nd and 8th were also known as the Gates of Hades, where the 8th is the Gate into Hades and the 2nd is the Gate out of Hades. a really powerful understanding of this comes from mesopotamian mythology: ishtar/inanna’s descent into the underworld. in this myth, the goddes inanna has to travel to the underworld, and to do so must be stripped of her clothing and other material possessions. upon leaving, she regains them.
both houses have a somewhat darker tone/theme, since neither of them are connected to the ascendant by a classic aspect. they’re not as bad since they aren’t cadent, but still.
all of this is the foundation of these two houses, and you can pretty much already see all of their significations just from this. 2nd is money and wealth and such because it’s gains and the build up to birth and life. the 8th is inheritances because it’s the preparation for death, and where we get money from loss. the 8th also represents our money being taken away/being lost or given away.
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Great discussion..something to consider is that the 2nd house is not always a fortunate house from the perspective of the 7th. As the second house is the 8th of the 7th. It is the death of the marriage. Or the death of the spouse.
it can be seen as a fortunate house when considering your money or an unfortunate house when considering the the loss of a spouse.
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Also inheritance. The death of other people(8th House) and the disposition of their possessions i.e the possessions of others.
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My Sagittarius 2nd house has Jupiter conjunct Uranus (both of which are very nicely aspected) and Neptune at 29 degrees opposite North Node in the 8th house in Gemini (also 29 degrees). It’s the part of my chart I understand the least. This thread is quite illuminating.
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Those are not the only things either house is about.
The 2nd house includes sustenance, hence opposing the 8th as death.
The 2nd house includes your possessions, hence opposing the 8th as other people’s (if they are 7th house people) possessions.
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When you die, you can no longer really possess or earn anything, at least not for yourself.
Some other ways the houses contrast…
H2
– Livelihood and earning a living through one’s efforts and the way/manner of doing so
– Owning or possessing something, relationship to this
– Work with something you own
– Money ready to spend, how it’s approached
– New things (objects, materials, primarily)
– Resources and materials and aspects of life that support life, sustaining it
– Hopes for attaining these
– Your life’s will in your own hands, your own attempts to sustain yourself and how you feel about that
– Activity and effort
H8
– Earning a living through investments or shared resources or through inheritance, the efforts of others
– Borrowing or losing something/entrusting something to someone else
– Work with something someone else owns
– Debts owed, money taxed
– Old things (can be objects but I’ve also seen this with information)
– Resources, materials and aspects of life that are lethal in nature, hostile to life
– Fears and anxieties and traumas around encountering these
– Your life’s will in the hands of others, settling your affairs before death, laying out how you will share what is yours, how you feel about that
– Stillness and stopping
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So the 2nd house is the result of the 1st house. Your body acts, 1h, and the fixed earth that results is your wealth.
The 7h is your spouse or legal partner and their actions result in the same but that wealth becomes fixed water to you. The fixed emotions between you two give you access to their wealth.
8h. Shared resources.
Now when they die and you live you may receive that wealth by inheritance. Often shown as Pluto in the 2h if it’s some sort of substantial resources.
Strong 8h can show you are an heir to something not necessarily physical wealth. The zodiacal analogy would be Queen Elizabeth was a Taurus Sun, she owned the property. Prince Charles is a Scorpio Sun, the heir to the property.
Now since it’s fixed emotion it may not be physical wealth. It could be the leftover emotions. The widow’s feelings at the gravesite. Here it is debt. She loves but nothing is given back. Its like lending money to a “deadbeat”. Same as money given to another for the promise of repayment. Once a debt is repaid it becomes 2h, your wealth.
A person holding a debt doesn’t have the thing (material earth).
Planets in 8h represent shared resources. Planets in 2h represent your resources. Mercury in the 8h means you likely will get some sort of inheritance but you have to share with your siblings. Might be physical wealth, could be debt etc.
Finally, the Phoenix stage of Scorpio. People tend to have bad debt for some reason. They loved someone who died. They believe they have a debt but they dont. They loaned something to a deadbeat who doesn’t repay. If they keep trying to collect, you find people in these toxic relationships where you are trying to collect something. Pluto’s obsession really isnt love its more like Dog the Bounty Hunter tracking down the guy who skipped out on bail.
The Scorpio Phoenix moment is when you choose to clear away the bad debt. It comes usually when you understand you’d rather suffer it’s permanent loss than ever see the deadbeat again so you metaphorically burn the worthless paper promises. You also do this when you understand you thought you had a debt but you just kept loving when they stopped for death or another reason and no debt was ever owed. You recognize you gave something away in hindsight. You metaphorically burn the worthless paper. The Phoenix moment allows your release.
Oppositions between these two suggest your wealth is tied into your inheritances from your relationships.
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My grandmother (an old school astrologer) told me I would always have to work very hard for my money and it would not come easy, as I have Saturn in 2H, but the opposite is true. It has come easy to me. I don’t like to let go of it though, maybe that’s the Saturn influence at work.
